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JGar Rooflestein
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Posted - 2014.12.01 23:25:37 -
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Going to go out and say this. I own 7 accounts.
They are not all in the same space but infact spread out in different regions. They mine. I control the all via Innerspace (isoboxers form broadcasting commands to multiple clients). Now with Innerspace being banned how will I be caught. I can see you would pull the logs of someone suspected of breaking this new rule. Highly doubt you can catch someone doing this.
I can see possibly pulling Ip and check the accounts running from that ip but that seems a little over the top to catch someone trying to mine and make ships.
I honestly think this has no effect on gameplay. I see this biting ccp in the ass more than anything. They will constanly get mails about groups 20+ using "botting". Maybe it is 1 person controlling 20 accounts or maybe its 20 actual people. 20 bombers is 20 bombers. doenst matter who is controlling them.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
Absolution Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.02 09:24:34 -
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As an Industry Multiboxer i feel we provide a huge chunk of the Market and help build your ships. WeE pay for multiple acc and take our accounts and mine all day. So what we can control them all via 1 click. We are not automating anything we are making it easier for us to do something we may enjoy. Yes i can control them all with out isoboxer but its just a bit easier and less of a headache.
Who am I hurting? Anyone can do it.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
Absolution Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.02 09:44:48 -
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Sylphy wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:weren't you leaving? Nope, never said that. Currently on extended leave due to Dragon Age: Inquisition. I just don't believe PLEX prices will change _that_ drastically because CCP decided to update one of its policies. Take a look at PLEX prices a year ago, 500 mil anyone?
They may actually drop. Some people will see this and possibly just close most of their accounts making the need of plex not as high.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
Absolution Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.02 10:05:35 -
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Beledia Ilphukiir wrote:
You outlined it quite well yourself, but what it really boils down to is your previous actions are no longer in agreement with the rules of the game. The change in policy is a reaction to the things you describe. You admit getting direct in-game competitive advantage over other players from your use of the function, that is soon to be a bannable offense and it allows you to mine and provide an excessive amount of items to the market. Similar to a bot you squeeze out actual people with little effort on your part, but you don't give a **** about any of that, since you're the one enjoying all the advantages. You can still continue to do everything you currently do in the game, but the amount of effort needed to achieve it will go up. If you're willing to put in that extra effort, good for you. If not, the advantage was always the result of the automation and not something attributed to you.
I will keep doing what i do with all accounts still subbed. Will be a little bit more work but no big deal. The input broadcasting must made it a little less of a headache. I'm with CCP on this. I do also beilve there is another way to resolve this issue without removing this third party function that has been accepted and allowed in mmos for years upon years.
I can see CCP wants change they want to open the game for newer players by making it easier for them.
A-Reduction to jump drives
B-Nerfing sov stuctures
C-Removal of Input Broadcasting
D-Possibly reducing sov/alliance sizes
E-?No more high sec awoxing (probably,not sure)
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2015.02.08 22:26:37 -
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Its almost how im set up.
When the change came I was pissed and upset as i broadcasted my inputs. Now realized its not as bad as people make out. Yes its a bit of extra work and i have to pay attention now. Just happy they allow input broadcast while logging in and setting up windows. Also allowing us to still use the dxnothing fx setups.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:46:35 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:KC Kamikaze wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Kinete Jenius wrote:I'm still playing and multiboxing VGs.
I also know of at least one other fellow who uses isboxer but he only uses videoFX (like me) and he isn't banned either.
Please be sure to give an email address to one of your ingame friends because if CCP decide you are breaking the rules (as suggested by CCP Pelligro) and ban you, your friend can come to this thread to let us know. Do keep in mind though, the new rules rely heavily on "Player Policing" . Maybe you and the other person you know just haven't been reported yet so hadn't come to CCP's attention. You did just remove the need for player policing though by advertising your breach of the rules (as per CCP Pelligro) on the forums. Just out of curiosity in what forum post does it say using VideoFX is now a bannable offense? Can you link it? The original post containing the full message was removed by ISD but This Post has the part about video fx and round robin. The account that posted the supposed statement from a GM has no post history outside of trolling boxers in this thread. That very same account considers it cheating to multibox at all. I would take anything said by that account with less than a grain of salt. There has been at least two boxers who use videoFX who posted in this thread with videos and they are still playing. The assault guy is pushing the videofx farther though.
His post is true all i think i can say about it. I put in a ticket and go the same message. Not sure if im allowed to post a SS of the ticket. Replied to asking if im allowed to post what he said in the forums. If you still have doubts put in a ticket and I'm sure you will see the exact same message.
I wish that CCP would just make a thread already to clear this massive argument up. I use videofx so i can see all my miners. Since the ticket i have stopped using its repeater option (now i just tab over to the character and do what needs to be done). All video fx does is save me from having to have 10 monitors. IF they still dont want me to use then ill just put them in windowed mode and line them up all nice and pretty.
3rd party software goes i assume that means that people who play with VMs are screwed..
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2015.02.21 03:59:55 -
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I think reason why CCP isn't giving us a clear statement is probably due to all the petitions they are getting. Multiboxers send in there support ticket about what they use and is allowed. Then maybe that flags CCP and they begin watching them (just a thought probably not true at all).
Bottom line is we probably will never see anything official about this issue. Players will keep doing what they do till CCP drops the hammer on them.
CCP probably sees 1 person using input broadcasting and is doing nothing harmful and may let them slide till either reports come in or they see that they are abusing it a lot. Kinda like buying ISK with IRL money. CCP can't really target everyone. If you are quiet about it CCP will probably never see it.
Honestly I say keep doing what you are doing until CCP officially tells you personally to stop (whether a ban or warning). If you are scared you are going to get banned for something you are doing then don't do it.
-JGar
"Great man once said nothing."
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2015.02.27 00:04:55 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:Drizzd wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Jallukola wrote:^
Perharps, still delighted that normal alt-multitasking is green. For now but I wouldn't bet on it lasting long as there is at least one CSM member who is so rabid at hating boxers that he considers having more then one account as cheating. Yes as in the same as botting etc. At least one CCP member seems to agree with him... funny thing though that the CSM member you refer to admits using at least 3 accounts - thus breaking his own self-esteemed rules The average is two to three accounts per person in EVE. So the person you talk about is the same as the rest of us and he/she is in good company. On the other hand most of us don't afk multi-account using ISBoxer type software. 
Them stopping people from having alts won't happen. How are you going to stop someone from making multiple accounts? Restrict the number of clients connecting from that IP? That'll suck for those families that have 4-5 people playing under 1 roof. They stop from doing that it'll be a huge loss on their end.
As for CCP monitoring your programs running...what a joke.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
Alternate Allegiance
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Posted - 2015.02.27 22:33:46 -
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corebloodbrothers wrote:Move on? So much more fun stuff hitting eve s future to focus energy on, new player experience, new sov, rebalancing ishtar online, fanfest, china versus free world eve, ton of devblogs aimed at the future versus going over and over ccp actions versus inout broadcasting.
From what we have seen no unjust bans, and the guys who did get one know why. Same goes for botting. The harder users say it didnt give them a benefit over others and keep whining, the more it shows it did give on.
If the majority of players would be in favor of this crap, then run a csm member, as you shoudl easily get thousands of votes right...
If not, then its a storm in a glass of water really
Look at the future ratehr then ***** about the past, be positive, as much as i love the tears in my email about it, tweetimg i killed isboxer helps me actually getting votes, thnx for that
Greetz
Core
Csm9 csmx candidate
Like every one has said that quoted this comment. You are behind. Most multiboxers have moved on. Learned new ways to control their alts. Them doing this is raising the question that hasn't been answered (well it has just half assed). That question is "Is this allowed". We want CCP to say what third party applications they will look past. What we as multiboxers are allowed to use. You probably will say "put in a petition". Most have done that and everyone gets the same answer. That answer in short is CCP saying "Don't use third party software and applications that can change the game."
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2015.02.28 04:48:22 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:giving yourself an unfair advantage with the ISBoxer program. [Citation Needed] If ISBoxer gives a player an advantage, so does PYFA, EFT, EVEMon, Fuzzworks, and EVE-Central, to name a few. Not in the game client, no. Why is this so hard for you? Are you that dead set on keeping this unfair advantage? I mean, it should be pretty simple for you. Don't use ISBoxer anymore. For anything. Run multiple instances of the client without a central control function, and you are 100% safe. No one has ever been banned for alt tabbing, no matter how some of you are trying to claim that the sky is falling.
I will say what I on every response.
ISBoxer feature for VideoFx should still be allowed. It helps the computer run multiple clients smoother.
Its the same as running them all in windowed mode sized properly to fit on 1 monitor. I can do this (currently doing so) or get 10 monitors. Doing this howerver does put some strain on the computer. VideoFx i can set it up to bring no strain to the computer and do what i just listed. So why is feature all of a sudden game changing? People may or may not have been banned yet for using VideoFx but it s what CCP is saying to some that its 3rd party and you can be banned. Where you have 1 GM saying its okay.
1 are right on part of one thing. You can call using Input Broadcast as cheating i guess. It does give players an advantage. But most (i know i have) have moved on.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2015.03.01 03:12:23 -
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Nolak Ataru I will say this you do keep bringing up the website apps like Eve wiki, Eve central and dotlan. Those don't really change the way the game is being played. ISBoxers feature for Input broadcast does change the way the game is played chages every game that it supports. You can control multiple clients with almost perfect timing. Something you will only rarely get in a fleet of actual players. CCP did what it thought was best by banning it. Now other features of ISBoxer are not really what i'd call game changing. Those features I would compare to the websites and other applications.
Which all those do is enhance the visual side of Eve.
Just wish CCP was a bit more clear and supportive to help people understand what can and can't be done. Just saying don't do it sometimes isn't enough.
Telling CCP to ban the use of EFT is like telling Blizzard to ban Icy-Viens.
Telling CCP to ban the use of EveMon (think thats the skill one) is like telling Blizzard to ban WoW app.
*ya for the blizz ref xD i went there.
These applications and webpages are supported 100% by eve to help newer and older players learn to play better and make there experience better. Which is why they added the feature to import/export your builds.
They removed Input Broadcasting not just because a few possible 100 people complained. They did to increase new player experience. Like hwo they nerfed the sov sturctures and more to come. They want new players to come in and enjoy the game. They want fleets of 20 actual people fight against a multiboxer to actual be enjoyable. With a player having to tab over and some what physically control the accounts makes it that much more enjoyable. Instead of ths guy controlling 20 accounts but only has to use 1 client. CCP just looking out to make the game better.
I was against it till I got the hang of controlling my miners. No matter how much complaining happens CCP will not bring that option back. But they should be more clear on Third party applications other than the obvious.
Just don't ban VideoFX. All I ask. Don't see how you can call VideoFX cheating honestly. Just my opinion tho.
IF a gm replied to this thread saying "Hey this is what is banned this is what you can do. " I'm sure this thread would stop. (probably not tho)
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
Alternate Allegiance
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Posted - 2015.03.01 20:51:51 -
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Jeanette Leon wrote:Rosewalker wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Rosewalker wrote:
I've watched Seraphin Foad's tutorial and am watching Tronnic's now. A question just occurred to me. Does dxNothing.exe run within the EVE client's memory space?
Back to watching videos.
dxNothing.exe is a separate program that does not interact with the EVE client. Okay, don't shoot the messenger, but I think I figured out what CCP is thinking. Let's break down 62A. The first part reads: "You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment..." If this means within the client, then ISBoxer passes this test, as dxNothing.exe does not interact with the client. Now, the second part: "...or change how the Game is played." I watched a video of someone running a Vanguard site with 12 Nightmares and 1 Onerious. The video maker, Tonksi, ran everything in 2 windows. If a player not using any multiboxing software were trying to do that, he would need to interact with 12 windows. I believe that is what is meant by "change how the Game is played." Please remember, I'm not making an argument trying to justify banning people. I'm trying to figure out what, if the forums where ISBoxer users hang out are correct, CCP is already doing. Those 2 windows are pieces of all windows arranged like he fancies. He's interacting wtih all 13 windows one at a time. It only changes how the game is seen, not played. This is EVE, not the trying to figure out the rules game. That one sucks, I don't wanna play that, I wanna play EVE I ask again, CCP, please come forward with some clarification
Like you said Video FX is a visual enhancement. Does not change the game play at all.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
Alternate Allegiance
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Posted - 2015.03.01 22:41:02 -
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http://isboxer.com/wiki/DxNothing
http://isboxer.com/wiki/Video_FX
My set up. I click the launch monitor 1 opens the main character then on monitor 2 it will load the dxnothing with 10 windows versions of the clients in a nice order so i can see it. The video FX side makes it to were i can interact with all windows.
Everything those to things offer can be done 100% with windows applications. Video FX and DXNothing do not effect the client directly it only affects the window its told to effect.
Think of Video FX and the DxNothing as PIP (Picture in Picture) on your TV.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2015.03.02 00:05:01 -
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No nothing about ISBoxer phyically runs through Eve launcher. It will effect Windows that you tell it to effect. Which is what your profle set up in ISboxer pretty much does. You basically tell it what windows its going to use and work in. The only thing that ISBoxer will do to the eve launcher is run it when you start up your profile.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
Alternate Allegiance
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Posted - 2015.03.02 02:18:38 -
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..some reason it posted this twice.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2015.03.02 02:19:32 -
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JGar Rooflestein wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:[quote=Nolak Ataru]and Super and Titan pilots sure aren't going to be happy if CCP tells them they can't use multiple toons without multiple monitors. Where is anyone saying that you can't alt+tab?
Some where about 15 or more post ago someone claims to have or heard someone getting banned for Alt Tabbing to fast. This i believe is false. Them banning people because they did a command or typed something to fast is unheard of. Like if i said something in chat could i be banned for typing that sentence too fast? Or when i go use the hot key to target something.. I spam my mouse clicks could i be banned for that? Doubtful.
CCP will never stop the usage of multiple accounts. No game will. Its impossible unless they limit the amount of connections from a certain IP which is just wrong. Maybe you have 20 people living under 1 roof who all play eve.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2015.03.02 03:30:19 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:ShadowandLight wrote:
how?
You're actually asking me how it's a lie that anyone, ever, got banned for alt tabbing? And you're doing this on the basis of an unconfirmed statement by someone on a third party forum, saying "friend of a friend". Are you nuts?
Ya highly doubt anyone has honestly been banned for doing commands to fast. Now I can see if someone is watching you and your alts target and shoot almost milliseconds apart then maybe just maybe ccp will say something. But that's only if they are physically watching you.
Can say you will never be banned for alt tabbing to fast. That's just unheard.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2015.03.02 03:35:57 -
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ShadowandLight wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:JGar Rooflestein wrote:
Some where about 15 or more post ago someone claims to have or heard someone getting banned for Alt Tabbing to fast.
Okay, and that's an obvious lie. how? there's an person who claimed to speak to ex-ccp employee that CCP is having a very hard time detecting ISBoxer users to begin with http://i.imgur.com/ICHDvKa.png
if i alt tab "too fast" or use rollovers / vfx / round-robin (all of which are not named to be against the EULA) how could CCP ever tell what method I am using? Especially with smaller amount of clients (probably in the < 5 range). Really to be 100% honest, people are reporting other people for "breaking the EULA" and GM's are just making snapshot decisions that someone MIGHT or MIGHT NOT be breaking the Input Duplication ban and have zero ability to know if they are using another solution that might look similar but is in fact NOT sending "one command to more then one client at the same time".
That SS yes there is a way to bypass it. Now ISBoxer comes default with Input broadcasting disabled but you can go in and enabled it again. Simple as that. But CCP has stated that they will allow it for window arrangement and login. SO with this I have assumed its a thirdparty software they will look past as long as you are not using Input broadcasting out side what they said. SO with that I may use my VideoFx again.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:01:21 -
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Re read everything. CCP actually has been quite clear on this matter I have learned. I mean some is still in the dark. ISBoxer hasn't been banned. No one has been banned for VideoFX usage. ONLY round robin and Input Broadcasting. Look Mogz he was banned yes. NOT for overlays. He was banned for the Round Robin use. The use of round robin to send a stored keystroke (not a stored keystroke from the client) to the clients. There views on Round Robin must be the same as Input Broadcasting.
Simple just dont use round robin. I mulit-box my accounts just fine without the use of Input broadcasting or Round Robin (never used this). Ive looked at past Twitch streams and videos and tons of people who run 2 accounts for pvp or incursions will use the overlay just so they can see the other account.
CCP is not Banning people for VideoFX. I did say that they are probably not banning people for sending commands to fast but i guess they are like in mogz case.
If you are running mulitple accounts and CCP is watching you or w/e they do. If they see a command to multiple accounts faster than someone can alt+tab then Ctrl+F1 or w/e you have your keybinds set to then yes they probably will look in to that. Like hey that guy just targeted and shot that guy with 4 accounts and he did all really fast. Round Robin does this. Mogz stated he was using it which is probably why ccp banned (this is not fact just what i think).
I will say CCP needs to state what they will allow from ISBoxer if anything at all.
I'm really sorry if this is hard to read. Tad tipsy.
I am a huge supporter of multiboxing and love it. But most people being banned are honestly probably using the Input Broadcasting every so often or abusing it still. OR even running round robin. Video FX I'd say you are safe (dont trust me on this personal opinion).
For proof of how i multibox ill look into getting some recording software and make a quick video never dont it before but will look into it. I run video fx and thats it no ticks or anything just standard alt tab. Video fx is there so i can see how long my cycles are and whos targeting what. I was running the clients in windowed mode but switched back to this as i feel like im safe. If CCP bans me they ban me.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
Red Phoenix Rising
Alternate Allegiance
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Posted - 2015.03.20 00:16:33 -
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Input Broadcasting's Unfair Advantage:
Normal Fleet 20 people- FC" primary is 123 everyone target 123 primary 123." 20 people have to find 123 and target then point and attack. roughly 5 seconds maybe less or more for all 20 to target him.
Multi box fleet- Turn on input broadcast all target 123. All do this with in milliseconds from each other.
Huge gain in this as you can see you dont have to rely on others to target as you know that 90% of the time all 20 will target that guy.
Round Robin:
Round robin does send 1 command to 1 client but at will send that command as fast as you can click or activate that shortcut. So you can send 1 command to 20 accounts seperetly yes but with in milliseconds.
Huge gain as a normal fleet will some times take 1 to 5 seconds yet again to activate the modules.
Honestly if you used the Input Broadcasting and Round Robin features there should be no argument on why they banned it. The argument is for them to be more open about whats now allowed.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
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Posted - 2015.03.20 19:39:32 -
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Charadrass wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
By agrreing to the eula you allow CCP to monitor your gaming hardware. Whether they actually do or not doesn't matter.
CCP CANT... it is not a matter of allowing. you cant scan something where windows dont gives you permissions to. get that into your skull.
They can. You say they can't. Look at Blizzard. They use Warden. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_%28software%29
You down load the game you accept the EULA and they are now allowed to run what they need most likely installed during the initial install.
-JGar
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JGar Rooflestein
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Posted - 2015.03.21 19:32:11 -
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You do realize that CCP will not say if ISBoxer is allowed. No major MMO company will. They will always give a blanket result most likely that result is and has been read the EULA. If you read on InnerSpaces site they cover this part.
They say No Third Party software or Apps that modify or effect the gameplay. BUT they tend to look past certain ones if they are major problems or really causing harm. They came out and said hey you cant Input Broadcast anymore BUT we will allow you to use it to log in and use it for window management. So technically they said We will allow use of isboxer, without actually saying it. I see it and they probably see VideoFX as window management. When asking CCP if this is allowed you will just get there generic answer which is a copy of the EULA. If they haven't asked you to stop or banned you then you are fine (once again my opinion).
For those that were banned there is always a reason to why. More than likely they were still input broadcasting or abusing Round Robin which if done right can look like Input Broadcasting. But like 90% of people ever banned in games they did nothing wrong they were within the EULA 100%..
-JGar
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